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this sunday, a new political landscape. republicans suffer a one-two punch. first, democrats sweep elections across the country, including two governors' races. >> was it a referendum on donald? >> i think so. >> and fueling democratic hopes for next year. >> our republican friends better look out. >> then those bombshell claims about alabama senate candidate roy moore. >> shocking allegations against senate candidate republican roy moore. >> if that's true, i don't think there would be any place for him in the u.s. senate. >> elections. roy moore and the growing awareness of sexual harassment
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in politics. my guests this morning, republican senator pat toomey, democratic senator amy klobuchar, and white house legislative affairs director marc short. and president trump agrees with vladimir putin about russian hacking, then says he's with our agencies. >> i believe that president putin really feels, and he feels strongly that he did not meddle in our election. what he believes is what he believes. >> but what does the president believe? joining me for insight and analysis are charlie cook, editor and publisher of the cook political report. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. "washington post: columnist david ignatius. and elise jordan. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington. the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press" with
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chuck todd. good sunday morning. one week ago today, the momentum seemed to be with republicans in virginia. democrats were worried that they were facing another post-trump election day disappointment. by friday, democrats were not only declared slight favorites to take the house next year but they saw a plausible path in the senate too. democrats swept races across the country in a clear at least suburban repudiation of president trump, giving democrats real hope that 2018 could give them control of the house. then came the roy moore story. on thursday "the washington post" reported that the candidate arrested a 14-year-old girl and makes sexual advances on three other teenagers when he was in his 30s. staggered republicans were left wondering could the democrat win in alabama and threaten the
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republican majority in the senate? should they support a write-in candidate? can they force moore from the race? amid all that republican handwringing, moore has shown no sign he would be willing to get out. >> these attacks involve a minor and are completely false and untrue. >> reporter: republicans are scrambling to distance themselves from roy moore who denies meeting 14-year-old leigh corfman and says her allegations are completely false. >> we do not intend to let the democrats or the establishment republicans or anybody else behind this story stop this campaign. >> reporter: but in a radio interview with sean hannity, moore did not rule out the possibility that he dated other teens when he was in his 30s. >> i don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission. er mother. >> do you remember dating girls that young at that time? >> not generally, no. >> reporter: senate republicans
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have rushed to denounce moore. >> if that's true, i don't believe there would be any place for him in the u.s. senate. >> if these allegations are true, roy moore should step aside. >> reporter: a growing list of republicans have pulled their endorsements or called on moore to drop out of the race altogether. and on friday, the senate republicans' campaign arm withdrew from a joint fundraising agreement with moore's campaign. but the president's former campaign co-chair in the state is calling the allegations gutter politics. >> if these ladies feel like that they're telling the truth, then they need to go ahead and take a lie detectors test. >> reporter: although while overseas president trump was noncommittal to reporters, saying "i would have to look at it and i would have to see," other trump allies like former chief strategist steve bannon are defending moore. >> until i see additional evidence on judge moore, i'm standing with him. >> reporter: the bombshell report comes after a difficult
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week for the republican party. democrats won governors' races in new jersey and virginia. and more importantly, flipped at least 15 seats in virginia's house of delegates, where big gains the last couple of times served as bellwethers for the following year's congressional elections. >> in 2005, i was head of the dscc. and you could smell a wave coming. the results last night smell exactly the same way. our republican friends better look out. >> reporter: this week, three more house republicans announced they will retire. joining a series of house moderates already leaving. after suburban voters around the country rejected republicans, rattling other party members who fear they could be next. >> was it a referendum on donald? >> i do believe so. >> joining me now is a republican senator, pat toomey of pennsylvania. senator toomey, welcome to "meet the press," sir. >> good morning, chuck, thanks for having me. >> happy to have you here. let me start with the roy moore
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situation. is it worse if roy moore loses or wins for senate republicans? >> oh, i don't know, chuck. i don't know how this is going to turn out. you know, this is a terrible situation. nearly 40-year-old allegation, we'll probably never know for sure exactly what happened. from my point of view, i have to say the accusations have more credibility than the denial. i think it would be best if roy would just step aside. >> it doesn't appear right now he's going to step aside. so i guess the question is, what does the party do? do you run a write-in? or do you try to ensure that he doesn't win? >> you know, i think a write-in is something we should certainly explore. i think luther strange would be a strong candidate for a write-in. but a write-in is very difficult, let's face it. there's no easy solution to this. i think we should consider a
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write-in. >> if he does win, should the united states senate seat roy moore? >> yeah, we'll have to -- we'll wrestle with that if and when the time comes. there's a lot that has to happen before that, chuck. >> so you're not ruling out the idea that you wouldn't want to have him seated as a senator? >> look, i suspect we'll learn more between now and then, chuck. i'm not going to project what we should be doing under that hypothetical. >> let me ask you this just bigger picture here. why do you think that there seems to be -- people are picking a political ideology or a political preference over what is clearly morally repugnant? >> i'm not sure who you're referring to. i think republicans have addressed this in a thoughtful and responsible way, right? we've got a 40-year-old allegation that is unprovable, probably. and despite that, many of us are
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suggesting that the preponderance of the evidence seems to support the accuser, and therefore many of us, i'll speak for myself, would prefer for roy to step aside. i think that's a responsible way to approach this. >> you said 40-year-old accusation twice. why does that matter? >> it matters because it raises a question about the credibility. look, i've said, i don't find the denial terribly credible. but when someone waits 40 years before they make an accusation, that raises a question itself. it's probably not knowable. but there seems to be enough -- enough there that it's very disturbing. >> let me move on quickly to something that the president said overseas having to do with vladimir putin. he seemed to take the word of vladimir putin, a former kgb agent, over the intelligence agencies. and he said this, "he said he didn't meddle, he said he didn't meddle, i just asked him again,
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he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election." why do you think the president wants to takes have's words over the words of former cia directors just because they happen to work for a democrat? >> chuck, i don't spend a lot of time trying to evaluate and analyze why the president comes to the conclusions he comes to. in my view, i think it's clear that president putin orchestrated an effort to meddle and disrupt our elections. i think he does that routinely in western democracies. i think he has a variety of reasons for doing it. i don't think there's anything we can trust that comes out of putin's mouth. i think he's dangerous man and a thug. that's a view of many of my colleagues. >> has he been punished enough? the president has implied that essentially wae've got to stop sort of confronting putin on this.
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do you think he has been punished enough or the russian government has been punished enough by the united states? >> so my answer is no, and i think you've seen the senate has responded, for instance our insistence on tougher sanctions on russia and a review mechanism attached to those sanctions to make it more difficult for this president or any president to lift those sanctions. i think we have to raise the cost to putin for the outrageous behavior he's committed. >> let me turn to the tax bill. i want to address the issue of the debt first. this has been an issue of concern of yours throughout your tenure in the united states senate. let me play some of the things you've said about the national debt before. >> we've got $16 trillion in debt. this is totally unsustainable. we've got to begin to get this under control. we're on an unsustainable fiscal path. we have deficits too large. i don't think we can kick this can down the road any further. >> quite a few analyses of this tax plan indicate it's going to be a budget buster.
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you've already voted to expand -- you're willing to expand the debt by $1.5 trillion over ten years. i know you believe in some form of dynamic scoring, i get that had. why why do you have some tolerance of expanding the debt now versus over the last seven years? >> so let me be very clear, chuck. if we pass this tax reform package in something like its current form, we will reduce the size of the deficits and we will have smaller debt than we otherwise would. this bill contemplates, really compared to the current path we're on, $1 trillion in foregone revenue without taking into account the greater economic growth, a larger economy, and therefore more revenue to the federal government. the tax foundation has done its analysis and they have come to this collection that it will generate more revenue than the path we're on now, therefore a smaller deficit. and here's another way to think about it. we've got a box that we have created, there's a limit to how
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much foregone revenue on this very restrictive static scoring we can produce. it will take only 4/ths of 1% of extra economic growth to fill in that hole and reduce the size of the deficit. i think if we pass this bill we'll get more than that in extra economic growth. >> so if you believe that cutting taxes somehow will increase revenue to the treasury, then why not cut them more? what is the line? >> chuck, first of all, that's a complete mischaracterization. it is the most profound tax reform in over 30 years. we're going to take the u.s. business tax code from one of the worst in the world, from the point of view of a potential investor, to one of the best in the world. we do not get our share, based on the size of our economy, we don't get our share of foreign direct investment. i think that's partly because we uniquely punish investors in ways no one else does. we're going to clean that up. we're going to create tremendous
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incentives to invest in the u.s., both domestically and overseas. if all we were doing is changing rates, that would be a different matter. this will be a profound change that's really very pro growth. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell admitted he persimiss when he said nobody in the middle class would get a tax increase. there are folks who may not see a tax cut if the deductions go away. what do you tell those folks who say, wait a minute, i'm not going to get a tax cut, even though i've been voting republican and was promised i would get this tax cut? >> the vast majority of people are going to get a tax cut. and any time you really reform the tax code, there will be some outliers that may not get a tax cut. in this reform, any such outliers are likely to be pretty high income folks who also tend to have significant investment
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portfolios. take a look at where the stock market is in part because of the anticipation of this tax reform. so those folks are benefiting in many ways. most will get a tax cut. but there might be a few outliers. they will benefit in a lot of ways from a stronger economy. >> all right, snoenator toomey from pennsylvania, i've got to leave it there. thanks for coming on and sharing you're views. >> you got it, chuck. >> joining me now is the without director of legislative affairs, marc short. welcome to "meet the press." >> congrats on your hurricanes last night. >> thanks, i admit i'm still on a little bit of a high. let me quickly start with the roy moore situation here. you had said you were waiting to see what mr. moore had to say when you were asked about this. you have heard roy moore's denials. has he comforted you or has he made you more skeptical of the situation? >> chuck, let me first say i have a 9-year-old daughter, as you know. i think the notion of innocent defenseless children being
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molested is one of the most painful thoughts a parent could have. i think there's a special place in hell for those who actually perpetrate these crimes. and i think roy moore has to do more explaining than he has done so far. but i think we here in washington have to be careful as well on this. roy moore is somebody who graduated from west point. he served our country in vietnam. he's been elected multiple times statewide in alabama. the people in alabama know roy moore better than we do here in d.c. and i think we have to be very cautious. as senator toomey says, the allegations are 40 years old, that arise before election day. >> a bush official said the following, he said, look, it strikes me the people alabama would listen to the president. basically he says he's going to take presidential intervention to get mr. moore to step aside or get this write-in candidacy on board. is the president prepared to insert himself? >> chuck, he did insert himself.
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he supported luther strange in the primary against roy moore. people are forgetting that. he has been engaged. >> would he get reengaged? >> the president is obviously on a very important trip, and when he returns i think we'll have that conversation, chuck. i think people in this town have an inflated view of what our views are. it's important for the people of alabama to be allowed the chance to discern the truth and to make the right decision. >> so if alabama certifies that they're okay with roy moore, but this allegation, in your mind he has answered enough questions, and they still send him, isn't it fair for senate republicans -- you heard that senator toomey was not ready saying he would be comfortable in having him seated in the u.s. senate. do you understand where he comes from? >> absolutely, if more evidence comes out that can prove he did this, then sure, by all means he should be disqualified. that's a huge "if." we have to allow for more facts to come out. >> what are the more facts?
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>> roy moore has said this week he plans to come forward with more evidence to support his innocence. >> and if that ed doesn't wovid work, what does that mean? is this senate seat that important? >> no senate seat is more important than child pet ophelia, chuck. having said that, he hasn't been proved guilty. we have to afford him the chance to defend himself. >> you're saying the president is not going to get involved? >> i would say the president did get involved in the primary, as you know, and he supported somebody other than roy moore. the president has been on an incredibly important foreign trip. when he returns, we'll have the chance to discuss this. >> let me move on. on the issue of russia, the president seemed to indicate in the back and forth with reporters on favoair force one,
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kind of believed vladimir putin's denials. then he said he believes our intelligence agencies. what does the president believe? does he believe in the intelligence agencies' assessment that russia intervened in the american election? >> the president believes that after years of investigations, tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, there is zero evidence of any ballot being impacted by russian interference. what the president is trying to do right now is recognize that the gravest threat america faces is north korea developing nuclear weapons. and nuclear weapons in north korea is a greater threat than russia buying facebook ads in america. >> you think russia's interference in america's democracy, using the freedom that we have in america, freedom of expression, essentially weaponizing that freedom against the united states, that that wasn't a grave threat? >> i said that the president has in fact signed the sanctions against russia, he has supported
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them, and they're being impacted right now. the president does not overlook that. he signed the proclamation that said there was meddling. we're not denying that or saying it's not important, chuck. we are saying that if we can get russia to partner with us, to help stop north korea from developing nuclear weapons, and if we can partner with russia to provide peace in the god for saken area of syria, those are positive developments. this investigation has gone on without one bit of evidence showing that one ballot was impacted. it's time for us to partner with people to help protect our international interests. >> so the president thinks russia has been punished enough? >> the president wants to partner with them to help us prevent north korea from developing a nuclear weapon. >> mitch mcconnell and hugh hewitt said last week that the u.s. should work with facebook to retaliate against russia. the idea of punishing russia is
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still on the table? >> yes. >> let's talk about the tax plan. in the impact of tuesday's elections, are you at all concerned that you're going to start having a lot of republican lawmakers basically -- you've been in politics a long time -- worried about their own hides in 2018, making it harder for you to get stuff done? >> i don't think we're worried about politicians worrying about their own hides, they're constantly worried about their own hides, that's the reality of this town. as we look back at tuesday's elections, yes. two democrat states elected democrat governors. over the last year, let's recognize that five republican house seatings in special elections, in some cases democrats were very enthused about their prospects in georgia, the republicans won all five of those seats. we see the playing field similar to what it was a year ago. the president and we believe what we need to do is deliver on the tax relief we've promised. what we've seen over the last year is the lowest unemployment in 17 years. we've seen 1.5 million jobs
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created, $5 trillion in asset value added to the markets. the economy is beginning to turn and we need to deliver tax relief. >> why do you think the president doesn't get political benefit from voters from this economy? >> i'll direct it back at you, chuck, in many places the media is not looking to cover what the economic benefits have been to the economy. too often we're covering stories such as russia buying fastball a -- facebook ads. >> you keep saying russia buying facebook ads, you dismiss this, you think it was that minuscule of an interference, going through social media, this was, oh, it's just a small little -- >> i'm saying where has the coverage been, has the media been covering the fact that the economy has the lowest unemployment rate -- >> we have an entire channel that does that, it's called cnbc, marc. >> i watch cnbc, chuck, occasionally you have us on. it doesn't always cover what has been accomplished in the economy
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in the last year. >> the president apparently said, well, look, if the senate bill is where it's at. he didn't call it mean, as what happened with health care. but somehow house republicans heard the president all of a sudden said, oh, and the senate bill matters more here, don't worry, guys, about what you're seeing in the house, that suddenly that's a signal that they shouldn't assume that the house bill is going to be anywhere near what the final bill -- >> yeah, i was in that meeting, i listened to the call. i didn't hear it the same way. i think the president is acknowledging some of the provisions that democrat senators were asking about are addressed better for them in the senate bill. that's not him saying i choose the senate bill over the house bill. we're very excited about the house bill, the path it's been on. chairman brady has done a great job. we hope to deliver tax reform to the american people before the end of the year. >> there's no preference here in the white house? >> there are two different bills, a lot of things we like. we'll be reconciling them in congress. >> marc short, i'll have to
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roy moore wins or loses for the gop? >> i think absolutely it is worse for roy moore wins for the gop. it was so uncomfortable for senator toomey to try to defend these charges of pedophilia against roy moore. he was forced to say the allegations were -- >> in fairness, molestation isn't pedophilia. we looked up this legal definition to be careful. it's molestation. when it is preteen it is pedophilia. >> having to defend someone accused of it and who they are corroborated eyewitnesss. >> many of the mitch mcconnell allies said he has to go.
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sounds like mitch mcconnell has decided it is worse if roy moore wins. >> this is just so horrible that it is not under his control so he has to live with whatever happens. i think if the voters of alabama if they choose to vote for roy moore i think the senate is obliged to seat him. >> pat toomey didn't look like he was ready to say that. >> you and i devoted our adult lives to studying elections and candidate and voter behavior. i would argue that the rules have changed in the last 25 years. 1992 bill clinton before the new hampshire primary hit with telephone recordings, vietnam draft story. old days he would have dropped out. if he didn't he would have lost. he toughed it out and survived all the way up through last year. and billy bush tapes access hollywood. donald trump stayed in and won.
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so i don't know what's going to happen here. i really don't. you can't predict anymore. >> we talked to some voters. here is an array of folks inclined to vote republican. >> when i look at the other side it's like one was going over the cliff and the other -- >> i don't feel like they are so suspicious. >> condemning him so quickly. >> you have been talking to bannon's allies and he is still sticking by roy moore. i thought it was interesting he did say until he learned. even he is qualifying it. >> absolutely. i think this is a real test of bannon's war against the establishment. a lot of republicans are privately saying this is steve
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bannon not adequately vetting candidates. they are digging in. you heard mark short say there might be more coming out. i am told they are likely going to try to pin this in some way, shape or form on the republican establishment as a hit job. spoke to a lot of republicans over the weekend who said the interview that moore did with sean hannity was game over because he didn't deny dating under aged girls. >> he said not without their mother's permission. yet more for the republicans at a time they are trying to govern. >> they keep whiffing the ball. there is distraction after distraction. i was so struck looking at the brief interviews of voters in alabama. there is this thing that psychologists tell us about called confirmation bias where you are taking the information that confirms what you already believe and just reject anything that doesn't. and i felt we were watching that
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people said the charges the democrats did this and that. what you heard from mark short and from pat toomey is the seriousness of the charge seen from a different vantage outside that confirmation bias world. when short said there is a special place in hell reserved for people who do things like what is generally described that is heavy language. if he gets elected by alabama voters, how do you live with that kind of definition? >> i will stay with you here because it seems when you say this i was also thinking of the other story which is the president and putin and the russia investigation and how he keeps essentially dishing up confirmation bias. >> i will use another term. intelligence professionals talk about deniable covert action. and what deniable covert action
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means is if you are asked about it you say it didn't happen. russia conducted the covert action against the united states. and the former kgb officer is asked about it and de nienies i putin is the last person you ask did you do it or not under the rules of this game. it's sort of astonishing that the president doesn't see that in this world denials mean absolutely nothing. >> i'm going to pause it here. i want to pick up this conversation and do a little elections, too, that are outside the state of alabama. when we come back are we experiencing a defining moment about sexual harassment? harassment in congress and what she is doing to stop it. finally. hey ron! they're finally taking down that schwab billboard. oh, not so fast, carl. ♪ oh no. schwab, again? index investing for that low?
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it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪ ththe next energyngs toto power our dreams,re will be american energy. the stories about roy moore, the former supreme court justice and comedian louis ck are just the latest in a parade of allegations of sexual harassment and worse. while much attention has been focussed on charges against journalists and hollywood we are learning each day of claims against politicians at the state
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and local level, as well. look at these examples. california more than 150 women launched a campaign called we said enough dehumanizing behavior. in florida that state's budget chairman accused by six women of inappropriate touching. in illinois hundreds of women charge a predatory culture in the state capitol. minnesota, a state representative said a toxic work environment protects lawmakers and not victims. and those are just a few of the 14 different state and local governments where this issue of harassment is alleged to have occurred and it is coming out now. the u.s. senate on thursday unanimously passed a bill instituting mandatory sexual harassment training for senators and aides. senator amy klobishar is the lead sponsor of the bill.
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>> welcome to "meet the press." >> great to be on. >> let me start with your bill. it obviously addressed the issue of sexual harassment training. i know this is, quote, step one here. it did not cover on how victims should report potential abuse. what is next on that front? >> well, this was just the first step. i would point out it was bipartisan. senator chuck grassley led it with me. we thought it was really important that the senate be a model for the rest of the country. and this is not just about senators. this is about everyone having a safe work place from shift worker to the nurse at the hospital to the teacher at the school. so what is next in the senate is looking at those reporting requirements and if we should make changes there. we have a working group with senator shelly and roy blunt and senator cortez working where rules committee members and will look at that and see if that
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needs to be changed. >> let me ask you about specifics. when victims report harassment in congress they have to report the incident within 180 days. the victim has to go through counseling. the victim has to go through counseling. then there is 30 days of mediation after the victim wants to continue. dispute resolution only made public if the case is ruled in the victim's favor. when settlements occur it is done in secret out of a private account of the u.s. treasury. are any of these ideas that you think end up staying in place once you review these measures? >> i can't predict that right now but we clearly need a new process. the thing was set up years ago and the times have changed. you wonder why we don't have more women in power. we should have a lot more wame in the senate.
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i have a dream that maybe one day we will have more women in the senate than victims of harvey weinstein's harassment. when you look at how few women we have running big businesses or movie studios a lot of this has to do with the fact that they have been pushed back. i don't think this is about toppling men. we need work environments where women are judged on their merits so they can rise up and be in charge. that just hasn't been happening in a lot of work places. >> do you think the u.s. congress is a safe work place for women? >> i think there are always people misbehaving. it does meantime it doesn't go on. having rules in place and having harassment training and a process that works where people feel free.
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we know statistics of very small percentage of women sometimes can be men actually come forward and report. we have to change that. >> you said you had faith in the people of alabama that they would end up voting against roy moore and he wouldn't be a united states senator. if the state of alabama does vote for roy moore in the united states senate do you believe the senate has a duty to seat him? >> we may not have much choice on that but we have choice on something else. that is that you can expel a senator once they are in with two-thirds of the vote after the ethics committee does an investigation. there is a step between here, chuck. that is that there is an alternative candidate in doug jones, former u.s. attorney, great prosecutor, someone running on trust with the voters and also health care in alabama and the real issues that will effect the people of that state. so the polls are tightening
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there and while it is incredibly important to go after these past allegations i want people to remember that there is another alternative here to roy moore who is removed from the alabama supreme court because he wasn't following the law. >> you are in favor of starting the expulsion process potentially if he is elected? >> that's one way we can do it, but the other way is for the people of alabama to look at the two candidates. i have faith that they are going to look at what happened in the allegations and the fact that there are 30 witnesses and make a decision. >> roy moore has been attacking accusers and the media for reporting the story. it sounds a lot like what happened in the '90s with bill clinton and his accusers. let me ask you this considering the political moment we are in, what responsibility do democrats have in this culture of victim shaming that became pretty prevalent in the '90s and frankly now all the way to
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today? >> i think we have a major responsibility. we have seen that this happens on both sides when you look at these reports across the country of people who are in power. we have a responsibility to make sure there is a process in place in work places where people can come forward, where fairness rules and where you don't have people that are making decisions about if people are promoted not based on merit but whether they put out or not. basically, that's what has happened to some women in our society and it is time to talk about it and stop blaming them and start looking at who is doing this. >> what do you say to voters who say all of these people that were upset about donald trump weren't upset about bill clinton? do you think one of the reasons why donald trump got a pass from voters is because of what happened in the '90s to bill clinton? >> i think there are a lot of things that went into that election. what is most important to me
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right now is donald trump is our president and it is important that we change policies in place that help people in this country everything from the tax reform bill that has serious problems for the middle class that we change the way the rhetoric is going in our country so that we treat each other more civilly and handle things in a more professional manner and do things for people. what worries me about what is going on right now we can talk about the election all we want but policies being proposed right now and people of virginia on monday said no we don't want this rhetoric. we want to have health care for the people of our state and we want to elect people that have a positive message moving forward. >> that's all the time i have there. appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. we'll see you again. when we come back democrats won sweeping victories in virginia on tuesday. why do some republicans say we are not worried? be right back. when i look
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at all. let's start with developing republican talking points coming mostly from trump supporters, white house folks about why virginia may simply be unique. they argue it is a blue state and getting more blue. their evidence, hillary clinton won last november and has gone blue in the last three presidential elections. second, these republicans say a gilespie win would have broken with history. whichever party wins one year the opposite wins the following year. that was true in nine straight elections from '76-'77 until 2012-2013. republicans argue that gilespie was an imperfect messenger in the trump era. so why are democrats celebrating? first, it's the margin they argue.
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northamwon in a state trending blue by nine points. it's the largest margin for a democrat in a governor's race since 1985 in virginia. second they argue wasn't just limited to the top of the ballot. down the ballot they flipped at least 15 seats in the virginia house of delegates with some races still undecided. 2009 was the last time we saw a statewide wave in virginia. perhaps most important it's the demographic splits in tuesday's result which could hold big warning signs for republicans. held huge margins in key segments. what do i mean? he won by 40 points among 18 to 29 year olds, 21 points among college-educated voters and 29 points around washington, d.c. it's that suburban tsunami that should concern republicans in
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congress. in fact, a demographic analysis of house republicans finds that 54 members represent what could be considered suburban districts. places that look an awful lot like the washington, d.c. suburbs. 16 of those 54 seats are districts that actually voted for hillary clinton over donald trump and only takes a net loss of 24 seats to hand a house majority to the democrats. the 2018 mid terms are still a year away. results show republicans do have a few very real reasons to be concerned. when we come back end game and why that democratic argument for big 2018 looks a lot stronger than the gop one. we'll be right back. coming up, end game brought to you by boeing. continuing your mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. this is electricity. ♪ this is a power plant.
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end game, brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. back now with end game. the democratic wave from last week ushered in a historic level of diversity. danica rome virginia's first transgender lawmaker.
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wilmon collins a libeer yn refugee. these are just a handful of historic victories on tuesday. charlie cook, we are throwing around the word wave a lot. this is an off year wave. when you get waves you get a different portrait of elected officials. >> we are a year out but this is what waves look like at the front end. to me the amazing thing is the last six mid term elections we have had four where the house or senate or both have flipped and the other two were after 1998 was impeachment and 2002 after 9/11. these have gotten more explosive. people voting in a more parliamentary way. there is a volatility that didn't exist in the old days. >> what is the white house reaction? >> their spin is virginia, new jersey, these are states that were trending blue. new jersey is typically blue. bottom line, though, if you talk to republicans about what really
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makes them nervous, it's that the obama coalition seems to be energized. you had particularly in virginia young people turning out, women outpacing what hillary clinton got in her election as well as college educated voters. i think that is where the real concern sets in. that is why democrats are celebrating. >> enthusiasm, enthusiasm. >> look at the divide within republican voters right now. you have republican voters who really love donald trump and then you have republican voters who hate hillary clinton. she is no longer in the equation. it goes that republicans can talk about hillary clinton but it matters increasingly less especially when donald trump is really inspiring voters to turn out and vote. >> david, can we be experiencing an issue? the debate about ed gilespie, was he trump enough? could it be the same thing that everybody tried to do with obama
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in the mid term years where it only works when obama was on the ballot. >> i think that is one of the questions that virginia raises. is the gop going to become the party of donald trump? if you are not embracing that are you just losing the energy? looking at the numbers the turnout among women, among younger voters i wonder if donald trump is not a leading indicator telling us what future is but a lagging indicator telling us what the past is. >> the unifying forces for republicans has been hatred towards clinton or obama. so now that you don't have a clinton, now that you have obama, what is the glue holding together because one part is trump and one part is non-trump. i think that is a real challenge for republicans. >> i think republicans are still trying to figure out what to do in 2018. i asked a number of them this week do you run with trump or away from him.
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they all answered we just haven't figured that out yet. bottom line, though, we have to have strong messages for the voters in our districts. >> does it matter where you live? >> i think you have to be concerned if you are the gop about white educated voters. you look at how they contributed to ed gilespie's loss in virginia and then looking at the alabama race and the senate race you look at birmingham and the educated voters in birmingham. if it's this close and roy moore has never been a strong general election candidate in alabama i would be really concerned. >> i have david ignateous here. you want to know about things having to do with national security. what is happening here? has the united states not taken sides here in a proxy war to the point where are we helping with this purge that is taking place in saudi arabia and lebanon? >> we have a young 32-year-old
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crown prince in saudi arabia, conservative, slow moving government, he just has blown that up. he has arrested hundreds of people and brought them in on corruption charges. he has helped pressure the prime minister of lebanon to resign as part of his campaign against iran. i wrote a year and a half ago about him. this young man could either jump start saudi arabia or drive it off a cliff. the biggest thing he has behind him is this president loves him. this president sees him as a donald trump of the middle east. >> there is a proxy war going on in yemen between iran and saudi arabia. how concerned are you that that proxy war becomes forget yemen they just do it themselves? >> the direct war between saudi arabia and iran is unlikely. i think the fear that the
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analysts i have talked to have had is that saudi arabia's actions especially in lebanon will push the israelis into a new conflict with hezbollah. >> i have to leave it there. nothing like cutting off that debate. before we go an important note tomorrow night we are holding our first annual "meet the press" film festival here in washington, d.c. 16 films on 7 topics from heroin epidemic. tickets are still on sale but almost sold out. there is a digital showcase online and on demand that will begin tomorrow. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. if it's monday it's our film festival. if it's saturday it is now hurricanes football. and we will be back next week because if it is sunday it's "meet the press."
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